Showing posts with label Morris David Rosenbaum. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Morris David Rosenbaum. Show all posts
22 June 2012
Morris David Rosenbaum on FamilySearch
However, if you go to the bottom of the page on click on the word about, you will be led to a new page.
That new page, which is shown below, guides you through the process of starting your family research, and also introduces the user to FamilySearch. On the page the user will find that Morris David Rosenbaum's picture is used as the link to show FamilySearch's vision.
18 May 2012
The Birth Record of Morris David Rosenbaum part 2
As I mentioned before, I believe the birth record of Morris David Rosenbaum has finally been found. I would now like to go over that search and discovery. I do invite anyone to add their opinions on this and hopefully working together we can decide the accuracy of the record. I believe we need to review a little history to help this along
First, we have known for many years that the name of Morris was probably not the birth name. The reason is simple, Morris is not a Polish name, but the Anglicized form of Moses. To this day I have been through the records of hundreds of Jewish communities in Poland and not once has the name Morris appeared.
Second, it is very important to remember that prior to 1821 Jews were not required to have surnames, in fact even after the 1821 decree, the records of Fordon show that most had not taken a surname as the records such as birth were for the most part still listed in patronymic form, that being the surname actually being the father's first name. In our case, that would have been Morris son of David, or using the Polish form Moses son of David, or Moses David.
Keeping this in mind, lets look at the data. In work that he submitted in 1884, Morris David provides us with a few interesting clues about his family that will help us uncover his record. In the record (posted above) he provides vital information on 6 relatives, including his father, a great grandfather, 2 grand parents and 3 uncles. Lets begin with the uncles. The first, Simon J. has a death date listed as 23 Jul 1840. The age on that record would give a birth date of the early 1770's. The next uncle, A.M. has a death date of 10 Jan 1871 at age 70. Therefore his birth date would be about 1801. Joseph, the other uncle lists his age as being 25 when he was married in 1824 (that record will be shown later). The death record of David Rosenbaum, Morris David's father, which has been posted on this blog at an earlier date gives a birth year of about 1797. I believe David, Joseph and A.M. are brothers, with Simon J. being a great uncle, one generation previous.
To further show the relationship between the three, lets start with with the death of A. M. in the records of the Jewish people of Fordon (FHL film #'s 814573-575). On the date listed as his death the record is for Abraham Rosenbaum. If we keep in mind the patronymics he would have been born as Abraham son of M.
From the record of Joseph's marriage in 1824 to Rachel Samuel (above) we find his full name is given as Joseph Moses Rosenbaum or Joseph son of Moses. Also, his father is listed as being Moses Abraham without the surname of Rosenbaum.
One problem with this thought is that all records of David, not one has shown any second name. In trying to verify this I found the birth records of all siblings of Morris David, which I will post in a later entry. In one in 1829 he is listed as David M, or David son of Moses. I believe all three are sons of Moses Abraham. In fact I believe that Jude, the grandfather is actually the great grandfather, he being the father of Moses Abraham. We may not be able to totally proof this as the records do not go back that far, however if that is true the Great Uncle Simon J. would be Simon son of Jude. Since we don't know what the full name of Jude was we can't determine if Moses Abraham was indeed the son, but it is possible that Jude was actually Jude Moses.
Now for the fun, the birth of Morris David Rosenbaum. In all of the records of his siblings, the parents are always David as the father with the mother either Sara or some form of the that name. With that knowledge, as well as the knowledge that many of the records are using patronymics the search begins. Using the name of Moses, as it would have been when he was born, I searched again through the records of Fordon. In various sources, Morris David listed a couple of different dates for his own birth, but usually they were always about 1831. Going through the record for the hundredth or so time over the last 30 odd years I found on the 12th of Jun 1831 the following record, which states that:
First, we have known for many years that the name of Morris was probably not the birth name. The reason is simple, Morris is not a Polish name, but the Anglicized form of Moses. To this day I have been through the records of hundreds of Jewish communities in Poland and not once has the name Morris appeared.
Second, it is very important to remember that prior to 1821 Jews were not required to have surnames, in fact even after the 1821 decree, the records of Fordon show that most had not taken a surname as the records such as birth were for the most part still listed in patronymic form, that being the surname actually being the father's first name. In our case, that would have been Morris son of David, or using the Polish form Moses son of David, or Moses David.
Keeping this in mind, lets look at the data. In work that he submitted in 1884, Morris David provides us with a few interesting clues about his family that will help us uncover his record. In the record (posted above) he provides vital information on 6 relatives, including his father, a great grandfather, 2 grand parents and 3 uncles. Lets begin with the uncles. The first, Simon J. has a death date listed as 23 Jul 1840. The age on that record would give a birth date of the early 1770's. The next uncle, A.M. has a death date of 10 Jan 1871 at age 70. Therefore his birth date would be about 1801. Joseph, the other uncle lists his age as being 25 when he was married in 1824 (that record will be shown later). The death record of David Rosenbaum, Morris David's father, which has been posted on this blog at an earlier date gives a birth year of about 1797. I believe David, Joseph and A.M. are brothers, with Simon J. being a great uncle, one generation previous.
To further show the relationship between the three, lets start with with the death of A. M. in the records of the Jewish people of Fordon (FHL film #'s 814573-575). On the date listed as his death the record is for Abraham Rosenbaum. If we keep in mind the patronymics he would have been born as Abraham son of M.
From the record of Joseph's marriage in 1824 to Rachel Samuel (above) we find his full name is given as Joseph Moses Rosenbaum or Joseph son of Moses. Also, his father is listed as being Moses Abraham without the surname of Rosenbaum.
One problem with this thought is that all records of David, not one has shown any second name. In trying to verify this I found the birth records of all siblings of Morris David, which I will post in a later entry. In one in 1829 he is listed as David M, or David son of Moses. I believe all three are sons of Moses Abraham. In fact I believe that Jude, the grandfather is actually the great grandfather, he being the father of Moses Abraham. We may not be able to totally proof this as the records do not go back that far, however if that is true the Great Uncle Simon J. would be Simon son of Jude. Since we don't know what the full name of Jude was we can't determine if Moses Abraham was indeed the son, but it is possible that Jude was actually Jude Moses.
Now for the fun, the birth of Morris David Rosenbaum. In all of the records of his siblings, the parents are always David as the father with the mother either Sara or some form of the that name. With that knowledge, as well as the knowledge that many of the records are using patronymics the search begins. Using the name of Moses, as it would have been when he was born, I searched again through the records of Fordon. In various sources, Morris David listed a couple of different dates for his own birth, but usually they were always about 1831. Going through the record for the hundredth or so time over the last 30 odd years I found on the 12th of Jun 1831 the following record, which states that:
In Fordon, David Moses and his wife Sara had on 12 Jun a boy named Moses.
Further going through the records, I was also able to identify the marriage of a daughter of Moses Abraham. Her name is Esther and in 1831 at the age of 44 she married. She would be an aunt of Morris David. In addition at the same time there are two brothers, Gumpel David Rosenbaum and Jacob David Rosenbaum who are married and having children, these two most likely the cousins, through a father named David Abraham, brother of Moses. The information on all these will be included in blog entries in the days to come.
An important note, all of these early generations probably lived their lives without ever taking a surname, so it would not be correct to add the Rosenbaum to them. That is not how they lived nor how they were known. Just because some of their families took names does not mean they would or should be included.
I have tried to be complete as possible with this write up, but please excuse me if I left something out, I do welcome any feedback anyone may have. I can be reached at knowlesfamily62@yahoo.com.
15 May 2012
Birth Record of Morris David Rosenbaum
As Memorial Day 2012 approaches our thoughts are again being turned to our ancestors. This has been the case with myself and my great great grandfather Morris David Rosenbaum. As has been the case now for over 36 years, I have tried to retrace the footprints of his life and have tried to find his birth record.
This past few days I believe that I have finally found that record. With it I have also been able to identify several other family members, including his father and great grand father. Between now and Memorial Day I will be putting all those documents onto this blog so that all may see. I am not trying to build anticipation, I just want everything to be right. There are many documents which when placed together show that the record is of him.
This past few days I believe that I have finally found that record. With it I have also been able to identify several other family members, including his father and great grand father. Between now and Memorial Day I will be putting all those documents onto this blog so that all may see. I am not trying to build anticipation, I just want everything to be right. There are many documents which when placed together show that the record is of him.
May we this year again turn our hearts to him.
06 July 2010
House numbers in Fordon
We know that Morris David Rosenbaum was born in Fordon, Poland. Even though the records of Birth, Marriage and Death from Fordon don't cover his birth, his own writings give us that information. However, from those records, we do obtain the house numbers of some of his family members.
- Oser Oser (brother-in-law of Hulda Rosenbaum Oser, sister of Morris David) house #78
- Berta Hirsch Barnas (wife of Jacob Hirsch, possible neice of Sarah Barnas, Morris David's Mother) house #45
- David Rosenbaum and Helene Rosenbaum (Morris David's father and sister) both died at house #126.
- Schaie Jacob Rosenbaum house #213
1880 United States Census
In the 1880 United States Census of the Territory of Utah, we find Morris David Rosenbaum. He is living in Brigham City, Box Elder, Utah. The census which covers parts of 2 pages is shown below. The first entry is his family with first wife Alice and the second is with wife Abigail.
1860 United States Census
In the 1860 United States census of the Utah Territory, Morris David Rosenbaum is listed at living in Farmington, Utah with his first wife Alice and daughter Sarah.
05 May 2010
Morris Oser - Nephew of Morris David Rosenbaum
In 1953, upon the 75th anniversary of the establishment of M. Oser and Co., the company published a news letter, called Chico and Vicinity 75 years ago. In this publication, the life of Morris Oser is discussed. In many ways, his life was similar to that of his uncle Morris David Rosenbaum. They both came from Fordon, spent time in New York before leaving for San Francisco. Upon arriving in San Francisco they both established themselves as successful buisness men. In 1884 he married Rose Lincoln.
25 January 2010
Obituary Deseret news 12 Aug 1885 page 3
ROSENBAUM- Morris D. Rosenbaum dropped dead at Mink Creek, Oneida County, Idaho, Aug 8th, between 2 and 3 O'clock p.m. Had been complaining of pain in his left side for several days. According to evidence, the coronor's jury returned a verdict of death resulting from heart disease. He was born July 11th, 1831, in Prussia, Kingdom of Bavaria, Fordon. He came to America when about 19 years of age.
11 December 2009
Death of David Rosenbaum (1797-1857)
David Rosenbaum, father of Morris David Rosenbaum, died on 22 Jun 1857, in Fordon, Kingdom of Prussia. He was 60 years of age. (FHL film #814575)
Death of Sarah Barnass Rosenbaum(1799-1874)
Sarah Barnass Rosenbaum, mother of Morris David Rosenbaum died in Fordon, Kingdom of Prussia on 20 Jan 1874 at the age of 75. (FHL film #814575)
Death of Alice Neibaur Rosenbaum (1842-1914)
Alice Neibaur Rosenbaum first wife of Morris David Rosenbaum, died on 13 Mar 1914 in Brigham City, Utah. She was born on 22 May 1842 in Nauvoo, Illinois the daughter of Alexander Neibaur and Ellen Breakell.
Death of Abigail Harriet Snow Rosenbaum (1847-1914)
Abigail Harriet Snow Rosenbaum, second wife of Morris David Rosenabum died on 9 May 1914 in Brigham City, Utah. She was born on 16 Jul 1847 in Pisgah, Iowa. She was the daughter of Lorenzo Snow and Harriet Amelia Squires.
Morris David Rosenbaum - Cattleman
There is very little information known about his ranching. he may have simply provided the means to aquire animals and let someone else handle to work of handling them. Other than the fact that he registered this brand, there are only a few passages in his writings that discuss owning any kind of animals. He writes;
1865 This spring I send 4 teams of my oxen to Boise City, Idaho loaded with flour, butter, eggs and (?) and returning lost 12 head of Mules at Rock Creek.
10 December 2009
From Fordon to San Francisco
As young man in Fordon, Morris David Rosenbaum got his first training at being a business man. An early entry in his life story says "1844 At the age of 13, I went clerking in a store and stayed there nearly 6 years."
After arrival in New York, he again turned to the business skills he had developed in his youth. He writes further "1850 After resting a short time I bought a few dollars worth goods and went out peddling with a basket in the outskirts of New York. This was at first a very hard task, as I could not talk nor understand the English language, but after a few weeks, I got along very well."
At this time Morris then continues his journey. He travels dowm the Hudson River to Catskill and returns to New York, from there to Philadelphia, and he continues down the through the eastern and southern states before arriving in New Orleans. From New Orleans, Morris then booked passage on the Steamer "John L. Stearns". After travelling through Havana, Aspinnal, Panama and Acapulco he arrived in San Francisco.
After arrival in New York, he again turned to the business skills he had developed in his youth. He writes further "1850 After resting a short time I bought a few dollars worth goods and went out peddling with a basket in the outskirts of New York. This was at first a very hard task, as I could not talk nor understand the English language, but after a few weeks, I got along very well."
At this time Morris then continues his journey. He travels dowm the Hudson River to Catskill and returns to New York, from there to Philadelphia, and he continues down the through the eastern and southern states before arriving in New Orleans. From New Orleans, Morris then booked passage on the Steamer "John L. Stearns". After travelling through Havana, Aspinnal, Panama and Acapulco he arrived in San Francisco.
Brigham City, Box Elder, Utah Cemetery
Morris David Rosenbaum was buried in the Brigham City cemetery in Brigham City, Utah. His grave, located on the south side of the cemetery near the sextons office, sits just east of the grave of his second father-in-law, Lorenzo Snow, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
His Writings
Sometime after his arrival in Utah, Morris David Rosenbaum begins writing down stories from his life. There is not a great deal of information before his arrival in the United States, in fact it appears as if he is just summarizing in a few paragraphs things that may have taken years to happen. Once he arrives in Utah the information seems to be much more current. The years he spent as a missionary are almost daily thoughts.
Hopefully his writings which he title The Life and Times of Morris D. Rosenbaum will be transcribed here shortly.
Hopefully his writings which he title The Life and Times of Morris D. Rosenbaum will be transcribed here shortly.
Arrival In America
When he was about 19 years of age, Rosenbaum left his native land for America, travelling first to Hamburg by rail, then in a sailing ship to America. The trip took 74 days.
The ship's register shows that on 8 Aug 1850 the sailing ship Ellen arrived from Hamburg with 67 people on board. One of those was M. Rosenbaum Clerk age 19. The original is easier to read on a microfilm reader. It can be found on FHL film #175447.
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